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A Short Biography of
- Ed Thelen -
I started this web site in 1996, when most guys showed themselves in their favorite T-shirt next to a red convertible. Being a contrarian, and having no favorite T-shirt nor red convertible, I refused to do that.In 2003, George Runkle asked for a picture, and J.P. Moore asked for a short bio.
Sensing fame and fortune at my doorstep ;-)) I agreed.Here goes!
Hmmmm - a bio - you asked for "a little bio" -
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Left puppy died April 2005 at age 16 :-(( Center puppy still writing web sites ;-)) Right puppy was a super dog, died April 2004 after challenging/ignoring an auto for right of way :-((( Ah good, that means I can
- leave out all the disgraceful stuff - leave in only the hero/intellectual stuff. - and spin everything to my advantage :-)) - - Gee - I could go into politics OK - lets try it -
A "short" autobiography of (bring up the sound of trumpets)
ta ta - ta ta
Ed Thelen
Executive Summary of Ed Thelen
A proposed script for "Dilbert" by Scott Adams- Lady says to Dilbert, "Say something romantic." - Dilbert (Ed Thelen) says "Kepler discovered the paths of the planets." - Lady thinks "I wish I remembered Bill Clinton's telephone number." Ed has sophisticated tastes, likes Uff da, Minnesota ;-))
- Parents? - Yes, two of them -
- Mother -
- Father - So you would like to know about your grandparents
- Born? - Sounds likely, but I don't remember.
- Age? - 39 - Oh Yea - well maybe a little more
- My kids are about as old as I was when I started to lie about my age.
- - born late in 1931 - upper mid-west
- Sex? - Yes :-))
- Life as kid? - I hated it. (And people would smile and say this was the best time of my life!)
- - Dad was a farm boy, worked through college, held elected county job. A writing about Lincoln
- Stillwater was primarily a farming community of 7,000 in the 1930s and still is.
- He was an excellent tenor, by far best in town. He sang with an enertainment group to stay in the public eye for election. Had considered trying for N.Y. opera. Decided that even if he won, how ever remote, life as a singer was not a good way to raise a family. Took up law instead, his sister helped with his expenses, worked as a reporter for the other half.
- (I thought he sang like Richard Crooks but needing just a little more practice.) He would listen to Sunday afternoon opera on the radio, if Puccini's "Madame Butterfly" was on, tears would stream down his face .)
- - Mom was "stay at home", a farm girl with college degree, had taught math
- - both above knew the meaning of "hard work - physical labor"
- (A day of farm work makes us city slickers moan and groan!)
- No kidding, some people really work.
- - gave our food to the "out-of-work" in the 1930s
- ("Out-of-work" seemed the only option for many good people at that time.)
- - I have a sister, two years younger, but faster, bigger, smarter than me :-((
- (Are sisters designed to torment brothers?) (I catch up with sister about age 15.)
- - My mother wanted me to get into college quickly, talked the grade school into taking me a year early
- Unfortunately, I was small for my age and matured slowly.
- I was so far down the pecking order that girls would talk bullies out of beating on me
- by saying I was not worth picking on. I never had a real fight.
- - I was the middle and high school science whiz,
- - the complete nerd - thick glasses, dental braces, social retard -
- My favorite non-science book was "Adventures of Huckleberry Finn" - I felt oppressed -
- The politically correct book was "Adventures of Tom Sawyer" - but he had friends, was too middle class, I didn't empathize -
- I wanted to run away, but was too incompetent.
- Later came "A Connecticut Yankee In King Arthur's Court" ;-))
- Many weekends went to nearby big city library for science books.
- Sometimes lurked around the physics and engineering buildings at the University of Minnesota.
- - Summers mostly spent on family farm, mostly not working hard
- I now think of myself as a farm boy and super-techie
- - During World War II, I was about age 14, my father met a renegade optometrist
- who said that he could get many young people out of glasses.
- His method worked on me until age 50, when I got the usual presbyopia :-)))
My high school class was 155- - didn't need a nose ring and spiky green hair to be recognized ;-))
- Three guys eventually died in the Korean war.
- I promised to leave out all the disgraceful stuff - but -
- When my bio chemicals kicked in - I just couldn't get my eyes off of buxom Marian White, two seats to my left
- The teacher should have had mercy on us and moved me to the front of the room! I was embarrassed and awful :-((
- Graduate from High School? - Yes - at last - longest 12 years of my life
- - there has got to be a better way!!!
- The teachers seemed glad to see me leave
- I guess that was nice and friendly.
- First Job
- Military Career? - A short three years
- Title? - "Knob dicker", I adjusted and fixed Nike radar things.
- See www.ed-thelen.org
- College? - Yes - several - Maybe too many - like how many folks you know took 8 years to get a B.S.?
- College support? - Parents, reading to blind, janitoring, loading trucks, G.I.Bill, instructing, manufacturing techie
- Got asked to leave College? - Yes
- Graduate from College? - Yes
- Major? - That was a problem, tried several,
- but now I are a enjineer :-))
- Hired? - Yes, Several times
- Honeywell, G.E.ComputerDepartment, IBM, CDC, Measurex, Landis&Gear
- Fired? - Not too often
- Measurex - insubordination - Yup, this product sucks, I ain't goin ta do it. ;-))
- What did you do at work? - I don't tell people,
- especially not my bosses.
- Folks have a right to privacy you know!!
- (Actually a computer programmer in industry, had seen enough of government.)
- Memories? - frustration, what did I get done today?? this week??
- Why are my feet stuck in mud?? - It is mud isn't it?? - Oh! No! - its poop!!!
- Married? - Yes - too often
- First lasted 24.3 years - just couldn't squeak it to 25?
- Current for 19 years
- Nerds like me shouldn't get married,- most women seem to prefer jerks like Bill Clinton
- Got pregnant? - Never :-((
- Got someone else pregnant? - Yes, several times :-))
- Kids? - yes :-)) Sons Edward, Carl, Randy, wedding ;-))
- and grandkids, Mason, Rose, Arthur ;-))
- Comment on kids? - If ya ain't got kids, yur only half alive
- I've always wanted kids.
- Kids on welfare? - Not too often
- See kids? - Yes - Everybody about 20 miles apart,
- maybe right distance.
Gramps? - Hey, Hey - Look at this and this :-)))
"Kids" and Mason
Rose
Arthur@60Hrs
- Millisecond of Fame? ;-))
The first edition of "Fire in the Valley The Making of the Personal Computer", Paul Freiberger & Michael Swaine - Osborne/McGraw-Hill, Copyright 1984, IBSN # 0-88134-121-5 has my picture at the Home Brew Computer Club on page 92. I'm the guy with the beard in the exact center of the audience. :-)) I ain't vain - I bought only 3 copies of the book!!! ;-)) Unfortunately, this picture did not survive into the next edition :-((
McGraw-Hill didn't ask me to use this picture of me, I didn't ask to use it either ;-))![]()
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- Current occupation?
- Retired in 1996 -Knockin about, tellin lies, goin to enjineerin talks way over my head, docent at several local museums. Havin fun, almost as good as young Muslim males kill for, and I also have Betty, a pond, and the Internet :-)) - www.ed-thelen.org - Spending a lot of time helping restore an old IBM 1401 computer, and when I can play with Big Toys.The idea that I am not totally dependent upon the government Social Security system seems to horrify some of my liberal friends - who seem to think that the government should be "the Great White Father in Washington" to us all, not just the tormented Native Americans.
- Known Beauty?
- Yes, some aspects- - Even though I like some country/western & popular music -
- Mozart, Beethoven, Puccini can truly send me
- (I still tear up when listening to Madame Butterfly talk to her son of the returning navy father.)
- - One late night while studying differential equations, Green's theorem, etc.
- I had a flash of the beauty of the symmetry of mathematics.
- Unfortunately the flash did not last,
- but it was a *really* interesting feeling!
- - There is something beautiful about gardening and raising kids.
- but bugs and noise ain't
- - and mountain meadows and peaks in the growing season - sublime
- - I'm told that poetry can be beautiful -
- but something doesn't resonate with me :-(
- Biases (known)
- 1) Primitive
- I grew up in Minnesota,
- Obviously Minnesota people are better than say Iowa people!
- 2) Always did like history.
- Figured the world would be a better place if:
- a) History was as accurate as possible
- News "spinners" really irritate me!
- b) Folks bothered to check history for what seemed to work
- and what didn't work.
- 3) Within certain limits, science seems a good way to know the world.
- Admired People - with a bias toward physics ;-)
Shake hands with: - Galileo Galilei,
- Seymour Cray,
- Hyman Rickover,
- Isaac Asimov,
- Copernicus
Sit respectfully at feet of: - Johannes Kepler,
- Isaac Newton,
- Archimedes
- Albert Einstein,
- Carl Friedrich Gauss,
- Richard Feynman ;-))
- Most appreciative of - last 50 years
- Mikhail Gorbachev & Ronald Reagan
Who had the courage and confidence to wind down the "Cold War", peacefully.
- Religon?
Not Currently, I'm not really hungry or scared.- but I'm open - just don't know which religion yet
- - Muslim - but the idea of being awarded 78 virgins for killing some "unbeliever"
- doesn't seem right - I take it the virgins don't have a say in the matter -
- - Buddhist - but I like Chinese chicken salad
- - Christian - my mother tried to get me to believe
- but I couldn't understand why a loving God would give us mosquitos and cancer
- and I'm not much into turning the other cheek -
- - Conservative - boring - sad but true, except when arguing with Liberals ;-))
- - Liberal - too far from reality, especially when arguing with Conservatives ;-))
- - Atheist - but are we sure?
- - we don't even know what a photon "looks" like
Maybe sun worship ain't so bad after all -- most of us do it anyway
- - what day is today (how many times did the sun re-appear)
- - it is time to go to work (the sun angle is that way)
- - and we wear watches, watch clocks,
- and most of us gear our lives to the sun much more
- than to any other idea, except maybe various hungers -
- Aggression?
"Good fences make good neighbors." ;-))- You stay on your side of the fence, and we'll all feel comfortable.
If I dig a well, I might be willing to share, especially for something in trade- but you want to take it - I'm willing to fight unless you can scare me off
I'm told our likely ancestors - the ramapithecines of 15 million years ago - had already lost their baboon like fighting teeth.
Had they already picked up the stick/spear to poke the eyes and throats of hungry predators- - like the big cats (lions, leopards, ...) which made their/our fangs redundant?
To carry clubs and spears proto-people need to walk/run on two feet
To hunt/defend effectively, a group helps, and detailed communicated plans/commands help group actions.
A fun read - The Hunting Hypothesis: A Personal Conclusion Concerning the Evolutionary Nature of Man by Robert Ardrey
- Worst Mistakes?
I've had a long and varied life, and have done my share of regretted screw-ups that I know about,- and surely many I don't know about.
However - suggesting/permitting two of my three kids go to University of California at Berkeley seems to take the cake!I thought it good for them to go where
- - a) free discussion,
- - b) diverse opinions,
- - c) varied backgrounds
would open up their world.Instead they were thrust into an environment where
- - a) dissidents are shouted down or demonized,
- 'cause "they would do that to us if they could"
- - b) fire or fail anyone with different opinion
- - c) varied backgrounds by a *really* unfair quota system
and I think they suffer long term negative effects of this brain-washing.
- Philosophy?
Modern college folks tend to tease folks that have kids by calling them "breeders".- Having read about the birds and bees, and Darwin, I call "non-breeders" - "drones", "Darwinian Failures". :-))
- Possibly the world would be a better place if say Grace Murray Hopper had great kids instead of COBOL.
- (Actually, she developed predecessors, and sent others to COBOL committee meetings.
- Konrad Zuse may have defined the first computer language.)
- Ya know, we ought to redefine marriage, like we are redefining everything else. People expect too much - we aren't like the beaver couples or farm couples going out two-by-two to set up house in some remote region - and trying to cooperate with eachother in the struggle against nature and make a family together as long term partners.
We ought to face that we are now a city people - and do change partners about as fast as we change cars or houses. We ought to tell kids early "This is your Temporary Daddy - soon Temporary Daddy and I will have a big fight or get bored or get the hots for someone else - then we will make a hell of a mess, split - then I might get you another Temporary Daddy.
"Yeah, I know that Temporary Daddies tend to mistreat their Temporary Kids, but he's got such cute buns. And I just know (my intuition tells me) that he won't get drunk and beat me like he did that other woman. And he promised me not to do drugs anymore if I let him move in with us. If that doesn't work out I can get the county to help pay the bills and the child care. We will see what works."
That way kids know what to expect, and might not be so shattered when the inevitable happens. We should recognize that with DNA testing we can figure out who made who, and not expect the liberated females to hang out with just one guy - just so some guy isn't stuck with supporting somebody else's kid. Time to face reality.
Or maybe the Muslim idea is realistic - the guy repeats "I divorce thee" three or four times and "thee" is outta there. (Apparently the woman has to appeal to a local (religious) court if the husband does not wish her to divorce.) In "Western" countries the effect is about the same except it takes a few months and the lawyers and accountants get into the act - for what reason? So that the lawyers and accountants can get a cut of the deal? (I have no idea what the Muslims do about any kids involved.)
(The above is not necessarily personal experience, but I've watched a lot of unpleasantness and needless sadness.
- If we remember that we are just silly ducks quacking and dancing around the pond, and not the serious, studious geese nearby, we should all feel better.)
I am reading "Lord of Arabia", by Armstrong, a biography of King Ibn Saud, and his rise to power in the early 1900s from very humble beginnings. Muslims can have four wives at a time. Ibn Saud kept three most of the time - so that if it seemed a good idea to marry another right now, he would not have to return home to divorce one. He claimed to have had hundreds of wives during his life time, with out ever exceeding the allowed 4 concurent rule - smart fellow. I think? :-)) In one raid, he got wounded in the thigh. (page 94) His allies figured he was useless and were ready to leave, or even turn on him.
- "He would show them he was not unmanned. He was still a man. He called a sheik of a neighbouring village and bade him find him a girl, a girl and a virgin, fit for him to marry. That night, that very night he carried out the ceremonies and consummated the marriage in his tent in the middle of the camp and ordered all the camp to celebrate the occasion." It worked, he was a hero again. On to the eventual conquest of Arabia.
Hmmm - this "short bio" isn't any longer - Another re-definition of marriage could be:
- "We will raise some kids through high school together, then all bets are off".
That might help a lot!! My (our) kids were mostly through high school, when the wife left, "to pursue other interests". There was ample evidence of her plans, getting college, working her way "up" the income scale. The timing was a little unexpected - but I was devastated anyway. If the marriage "contract" had stated "kids through high school", I maybe would not have hoped/dreamed of later "golden years" together.Lots of folks split "when the nest is empty". I just read the Lowenstein biography of Warren Buffett. Wife "Susie-O" did a great job of raising the kids and caring for the absent minded, pre-occupied Warren. But when the kids left, she went off to fulfill her dream of becoming a cabaret singer. Settling in San Francisco, a thousand miles from Warren, visiting family affairs as though all was just fine. They didn't divorce - Warren's friends found him a compatible girl friend, a compulsive bargain hunter, and the three seem just fine at family occasions. Maybe there is a lot to be said for that.
Same sex marriage? - Ya just gotta be kidding - I think all marriage should probably be outlawed as too risky.
- We make motorcycle folks wear helmets, when they are much more likely to be shattered by a failed marriage than any other "accident".
- And what gives the government the "right" to make "us" get a license to get married anyhow? What a whakky idea. George Washington didn't need to get a license - this marriage license stuff was invented in the 1800s presumably as a way to prevent us from marrying another race!
- Heroes
- (Admiral) Hyman Rickover - got the navy superb nuclear submarines 10 years early
- (Computer designer) Seymour Cray - world's fastest computers for 3 decades
unfortunately, they were both a little asocial and a pain for administrations.- What I think I learned
- A "little white lie" ain't all that bad -
- Still don't like 'em - and - I don't fool anyone :-((
- I'd rather be a little hungry all the time :-(
- rather than big fat all the time :-((
- Now when I take a break, I get a glass of hot water instead of food. It helps a lot!- "Being a little hungry is a good strategy."
- from Robert Garner (who, based on results, uses a number of good strategies.)
- What I haven't learned
- Patience, do nothing - just relax
All my life people have said: So I figure the goal of life, victory, is to do it fastest, cheapest, documented, maybe some pazaz.
- Ya gotta learn this stuff better and get better grades than most of your classmates
- But I ain't that much smarter than most of 'em.
- And in college I was always working part time.
- Ya gotta hand in this assignment in Monday
- OK - so its Thursday, ya got all weekend!
- Ya got 14 months ta do this project that most knowledgeable people think will take two years
- If ya succeed, we will keep you on the payroll and challenge you again.
- I are a good enjineer! - and I like it that way!
Now I volunteer at museums, where most staff members seem to thing they work for the government
- - this year or next year or ever, who cares?
- - lets form a committee to discuss what we discussed in the other committee last year
- If you *do* something, someone will find fault, real or imagined.
- - What a mismatch!!! Instead of a success, I am now a misfit :-(
- - Maybe I should change Heroes, above.
- Advice for the "young"
- If your a techie, ya might read Paul Graham.
- Not sure that "get lots while you are young" is such a good idea, too distracting and risky -
- even though I now support myself with real estate ;-))
- Died? - I don't think so. I don't remember it if I did.
Cheers
Ed Thelen - October 26, 2003 - tweaked since -
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84 K bytes I didn't have any pictures of my military days. (Maybe this web site is over-compensation for not taking any.) In January 2004 "Mac" McCabe sent to me this picture (printed May 1955) that he took after we had completed 13 months of classroom, practical, and range firing of the Nike Ajax guided missiles. We were about to leave Ft. Bliss to set up our Nike sites in the U.S. He said "This picture should make your day - young, slender & single. Your SAM-23 Classmate Mac McCabe". I wish I could say that I am the friendly, cool, handsome dude on the left - but that is Fredrick Toevs.
This is the end of the short bio - the following is recollections of various employers I've had - I never had the guts to go into business for myself.
Comments about General Electric Computer Department
And I even worked for IBM
Indeed - A group of about 10 of us left General Electric Computer Deptartment at the same time - Infact the same going away party - about 9 were going to California to set up their own computer related company (probably timesharing software) and me - I was invited to go along to do a FORTRAN compilier for them - but I also had a job offer from IBM in New York, to help on their TSS (Time Sharing System) effort. Manny Lemas, from G.E., had joined IBM a few months previous, and said the water was fine at IBM - and some good solid work needed to be done. (I also had a job offer from Control Data in Minnesota, but that didn't seem so exciting. What glory days!!) Being a bit chicken about helping start up a software company, I *finally* (after the going away party) decided to head for IBM Advanced System Development (Mohansic Labs) in Yorktown Heights, New York.
Friends - I like to think that I'm as smart as the average bear. Learned that I wasn't brilliant when quite young, but I can hang in there most of the time. I'm an incrementalist, but can usually move things along.
Friends, those guys at IBM were *smart* - it was kind of a thrill to associate with them. They would tell adventures of conning customers into getting extra equipment. My boss's boss had recently received a $9,000 cash award (about half of a nice house at the time) for developing a timesharing system to run on a 7094. One of the guys had done the DASDI software for the new disk packs that were just coming out - and all stood in awe of him. I felt that I would really have to hustle to stay up with these guys.
I was put under the wing of a contract employee - This guy was your basic slug - what he was doing in this crowd I never did figure. After a couple of months I was doing the work of both of us, and I was trying to get this turkey fired! My boss said that was not an option - "cope".
We were part of a 45 person group doing performance analysis and providing suggestions for performance enhancements of the TSS (see above) effort that was dragging in schedule and performance.
"Slug" and I were taking instruction traces of the IBM 360 Mod 67 doing an assembly of a few lines of 360 code. Our goal was to suggest groupings of subroutines so that there would be fewer "page faults" requiring access to the swapping drum which cost a lot of "wall clock" time. Basically, try to get more through-put from the machine by positioning the modules of this task in a more optimum manner.
"Slug" and I (actually I) designed and wrote a FORTRAN routine to take the address in the Program Counter from the trace tapes, take the module locations from the loadmap tape, identify which subroutines/modules were being accessed, and make a report suggesting optimizations.
This was a wonderful task, well defined, I could understand it quickly, very doable, and I felt that I could make a definite contribution quickly - and get recognized and get even more interesting job assignments. I even found a bug in the FORTRAN F - I put in lots of comment cards about interfaces and things, and FORTRAN F got lost and did quirky things if there were more than 19 comment cards in a row. Basically, I was having a blast, full access to the documents of the TSS technical reports, code, design documents - the whole tomato :-))
The wife was unhappy with the neighbors, they had been there for years and regarded her as a passing phase. And she wasn't too happy with our rental house (a somewhat winterized summer cabin that I had picked while she was coming from Phoenix). Then she got really unhappy - wanted to go back to sisters and family in Minnesota. Well, I had dragged her all over the U.S. - I guess it was my turn to get dragged.
So I called Control Data and asked if the job offer was still open - They said sure - when and where do you want the truck? No kidding - computer's glory daze :-))
So I busted my butt to get my project all tidied up so that I could resign and not leave a mess. My sleepy looking boss - who didn't seem quite up to the rest of the staff - called me in one day and said that I was doing an outstanding job. I thanked him - then he popped me with this "Are you getting ready to resign?"
I nearly dropped my teeth - how the $%^& had he figured that out?? All the short timers I knew about sloughed off before leaving. I suddenly figured my boss was a heck of a lot more savvy than I had given him credit for. I told him "yes" - I was going to give 2 weeks notice Friday. We talked for a spell about why - and possible opportunities with IBM in Minnesota. I didn't want to go to that tape drive division in Rochester, Minnesota, and I didn't trust the new IBM ad campaign that advertised a free IBM Software Engineer with each new system - that sounded to good to last (and was!!).
So, in a couple of weeks we were moving to Minnesota and wife's sisters and Control Data 6600s :-))
I always looked back at my IBM experience with great fondness - and that is partly why I'm hanging with some IBM guys restoring an an old IBM 1401.
Control Data Corporation 1966-1971Control Data was fun - but it transfered our sales force (which had a hard enough time understanding what advantage they had) back to Minneapolis - and I figured CDC were doomed to failure. So I left to join the "up and coming" Measurex that knew how to replicate software and make money!
----- Original Message ----- From: "David Hemmendinger"> I'm interested in the early history of > interrupt-handling > -- not so much the hardware > as the development of techiques for dealing with > real-time problems. Ah - "Real Time". Indeed - that overworked, vague term. I spent 5 years at Control Data - Special System Division - with the CDC-6x00 series. As you know, the PPs did not do interrupts - BUT - we could offer guaranteed performance, * PPs and CPU have deterministic, repeatable performance * not just a best effort by an interrupt system with many things to do. We pushed the term "Time Critical" to highlight our capabilities, and in fact could guarantee time performance on such items as: - multiple telemetry streams (from say aircraft prototypes in test flights) - helped sell, implement, install, acceptance test a system to Volkswagen (multiple test stands) - helped sell and implement a system to Grumann Aircraft for the then E-15 - hybrid systems to Naval Underwater Weapons Lab and naval aircraft range at China Lake - function generation in hybrid computation input from analog, computation, response to analog and background software development and debug and a base-load of normal batch operations. For timing purposes we grouped time critical events into - Input groups such as ADC, contact closure, etc - Computation such as - Output groups such as DAC, contact closure, etc - data streaming into pre-allocated circular disk buffers (I understand and provided software aids for users to measure the above and means of queuing jobs requiring various resources. We in CDC Special Systems made these capabilities - exceeding anyone else's, :-)) - into a dying market :-(( I have tried to contact former bosses/co-workers such as John Sansom (inventor of a digital language emulating an analog computer that CDC offered as MIMIC) with out success. Dave Cahlander and Greg Mansfield (Kronos/NOS fame) were active in prior art in 1991. [Ring buffer patent indeed - patents feed lawyers not inventors!! In the 1960s G.E.'s 625 operating system GECOS and CDC's SCOPE used them for spooling - any attorney can dig them with a 15 second explanation]
Yes - Measurex in Cupertino, Ca - was there 17 years - first 16 years were *GREAT*.
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